Trueman ([info]rebelcoyote) wrote,
@ 2004-02-16 18:44:00
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The conversation started, as most do these days, with him asking me what happened to my foot. He was an old man and a veteran, as were all the old men here at the hospital but unlike most people, he wasn’t surprised when I told him how I’d been injured.

“I took one piece of shrapnel here,” he said, pointing to the side of his mouth. “Blew part of my face off from here to here,” he gestured from the corner of his mouth to his jawbone.

“Wow,” I said, as any more significant words escaped me. I looked closely at his face and noticed for the first time the large dimple that extended from the left side of his mouth, I hadn’t even noticed the scar until he mentioned it and I told him as much.

“Yeah, most people don’t,” he replied.

“When did it happen?” I asked. I didn’t know the man’s age but I was guessing Korean War, or possibly Vietnam at an older age.

“1945” he said. He didn’t look like a man near 80. I was surprised. I’d never met a WWII combat vet before.

“Where were you at? “ I asked.

“A little Island in the pacific called Iwo Jima,” He said.

I listened intently as he described the type of land mine that had wounded him; how you could tell by the thickness of the lead casing whether they were anti-personnel, vehicle or armor and what he’d seen one of the big ones do to an M-4 tank, and what the one that he met did to him.

“What most people don’t realize,” he said finally, “Is that it’s not the getting wounded that hurts the worst, it’s the recovery.”



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[info]underporch
2004-02-16 06:04 pm UTC (link)
The hidden lives of people who lived through the 30's and 40's amaze me. Makes me feel like a total whiner to complain about anything.
Glad to see you are back on the board, Trueman. Missed your stories much.

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[info]dormouse_in_tea
2004-02-16 07:01 pm UTC (link)
*eyes go wide* You got to talk to an Iwo Jima vet about his experiences???

Wow....

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[info]lonesomenumber1
2004-02-16 08:24 pm UTC (link)
I've always been grateful that, as a young barfly, I got to spend a lot of time talking to WWII vets.

The funny thing is, they probably thought I was doing them a favor by listening to them.

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[info]msginnyo
2004-02-16 10:49 pm UTC (link)
The funny thing is, I bet when he said "A little island named Iwo Jima," he probably expected that you honestly wouldn't know where he was talking about right away. Guys of that age, from that era, usually saw their service to our country as something that was simply a given: it was just something that you do.

Thank God for `em; every last one of them.

My uncle served in WW2, and I never neard too much about it and neither did his kids. He left the Navy after the war and went on to become an engineer. When he died last summer his family found a load of his stuff packed away, awards and commendations and stuff both from and well after the war. One of them showed that he was on the engineer team that helped design & build the USS Nautilus in the `50's.

His kids never knew; he never told them. To my uncle, that was just his job. He didn't brag about it or talk about it; he just did it.

I bet the fellow you talked to, feels the same.

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[info]graf_garcia
2004-02-17 04:55 am UTC (link)
I’d never met a WWII combat vet before.+++

Amazing. How old are you???? That's why I get mad when I hear Americans claiming it was them who won the WWII

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[info]underporch
2004-02-17 06:34 am UTC (link)
He's met them, no doubt, but probably didn't know he had. I never realized my uncles had fought in WWII until I was an adult. They didn't talk about their experiences. Their's was a unassuming generation. They just did what everyone else did and didn't think it was anything special. I wish I could ask them many questions now.

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[info]graf_garcia
2004-02-17 07:30 am UTC (link)
They didn't talk about their experiences. Their's was a unassuming generation. They just did what everyone else did and didn't think it was anything special. +++

In Europe, the war (we still refer to it as THE war) has shaped lives of at least two generations and has had a deep mark on mine, the third. My mother was born in Leningrad two months before Nazis took it under siege. She was taken out across the frozen Ladoga lake six months later. My mother-in-law was four years old when Germans occupied her Alpen valley. Her father, who helped partisans with food and Jews with escaping Italy, was arrested by Nazis and miraculously fled the prison.
In every family I know, someone fought in the war. In almost every second family I know, someone was killed on the battlefront.

They all did what anyone else did - but they can't see it as nothing special because it WAS very special, almost unhumanely special.
It's just that for people in Europe, it was their war, their burden, their sacrifice and their victory. For most in the U.S., another overseas expedition.

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[info]underporch
2004-02-17 10:29 am UTC (link)
And here in the U.S. we still call it World War II, because that's what it was. The National Guard Unit of my family's hometown was part of the 192nd Tank Battalion, who fought, and were captured, at Bataan. Many died in the death march that followed, some died as Japanese POWs.
No, we didn't sustain 29 million deaths in that war, our homeland was barely touched, yet we sent troops to Europe, damn interfering busy-bodies that we were.
WWII was when America learned that ignoring fascists and tyrants does not make them go away. Appeasement is eventually very expensive.

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[info]trinker
2004-02-17 12:34 pm UTC (link)
That's a nice line, but the U.S. has also encouraged tyrants and fascists.

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[info]underporch
2004-02-17 03:22 pm UTC (link)
First and foremost among them would be Stalin himself, illustrating Galbraith's remark that politics "consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable."

Yes, we have stumbled and we have made mistakes. When we intervene militarily in places that have had a complete breakdown of human rights, like Somalia, we are "aggressors", when we don't, as in Rwanda, we are called callous racists. God knows we're not perfect, that's for sure. On the whole, though, I will stack the international affairs record of the U.S. over the last century against that of Russia/U.S.S.R. and call it relatively favorable.

Now, graf, trinker, I've taken up enough space in Rebelcoyote's LJ and wandered far enough from the original subject. I'm signing off. You can have the last word (or toss a rotten tomato, if you'd like).

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[info]trinker
2004-02-17 09:11 am UTC (link)
I've met WWII combat vets, but the ones who really stick out in my mind are the ones who let me know in a cruel and inappropriate manner. I'm an American citizen of Japanese descent, and there are too many WWII vets who were willing to verbally abuse a little girl (me, at the time) over things that happened long before I was born.

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[info]underporch
2004-02-17 10:42 am UTC (link)
Some people were damaged by the war in ways other than the physical, and some people were damaged before and just used it as an excuse to justify their prejudices. My stepdad was in WWII and Korea, I never heard him make any generalizations about the people on the other side. I know he was relieved that there had been no large-scale invasion of Japan, though the cost of preventing it was so high in civilian lives. In his later years he taught ESL as a volunteer at his local library and his students included a Japanese lady of whose progress he was very proud.

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[info]trinker
2004-02-17 12:27 pm UTC (link)
I've met WWII vets (and vets of subsequent U.S. military actions) whom I've respected. I just don't buy the "they're all shining examples of the U.S." mythology.

And that prejudiced slime is, sadly, the reason why I'm wary when someone is introduced to me as "a veteran".

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[info]paladyn
2004-02-17 07:58 am UTC (link)
hey consider yourself blessed that you could talk to someone from that generation. they're slowly fading away into history.

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[info]lllvis
2004-02-17 08:53 am UTC (link)
I have actually heard that before, although not from a wounded vet. Part of the bit about recovery being hardest is both other people talking about your injury, and asking you to recount it. I can easily see where that could take its toll.

Found a couple of sites while looking for a copy of a Veterans Day ode I used to have a copy of, thought these were worth sharing.


http://home.earthlink.net/~thank_a_veteran/thank_a_vet_001.htm

and here it is! I found the write-up at:
http://www.olympus.net/personal/reigh/veterans_day.html

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[info]lornemir
2004-02-17 09:16 am UTC (link)
I worked with senior citizens in LA shortly after I graduated high school. About half the men were WW2 vets. I'm convinced that they're the toughest SOBS this country has every produced. Very stoic about the whole thing.

It turned out one of them survived Guadalcanal by playing dead in a trench. He hid under one of his dead friends and got bayonetted through the hand. He didn't scream or flinch. The Japanese moved on and he survived. I couldn't imagine that kind of situation and it sounds like with all you've been through, you couldn't imagine it either.

I don't know if I said this but Thanks.

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[info]scathedobsidian
2004-02-17 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Been missing your posts, man. Come back more often. You have even less of an excuse than I do (y'know, aside from arduous months in the hospital missing a great deal of your foot).

WWII vets make me feel less deserving; there were two in my family, both of whom were in Normandy on D-Day. There's something very humbling about many of them.

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192nd Tank Battalion
(Anonymous)
2004-04-25 04:26 pm UTC (link)
You might want to do a search for the 192nd. There is a website on them.

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